Luisa Gamez, ch. 8

I do agree with Origin. I agree with him because when we die i think we or all who believe in God will go to heaven. Also because when we get there we are going to see God and we will all be together there. I think he was condemn because maybe church leaders during his time were closed minded and thought he was doing this in a mean way and kind off saying he did not believe on what the BIble said.

Antonio Conde alias el papo

I think Origen was right when he said that everyone is going to unite when they go to heaven except the demons because they are evil. i do not know if animals will go to heaven as well. they probably will go to heaven because God made them living things.

alejandra Ramirez

This chapter focuses on comparing the christian faith with the hellenistic philosophy. It also talks about the theologians that opposed the use of hellenistic philosophy to explain christian faith. Jerome was a very important figure in christian faith because he translated the latin vulgate. Also this chapter talks about Tertullian who was known as the greatest opposer of hellenistic philosophy. In this chapter we learn about Origen one of the greatest theologians in all history. Origen and Clement were the ones that opened the first catechetical school.

catias journal

we are now in ch 8 we are learning about philosophy ad how the hellenistic era came to christianity. today it is halloween jajaja. Well last chapter we learned about bishops and deacons and priests. we had a test on monday. we will have a test next week on ch 8. i hope i will not do bad. we are learning about origen, tertullian and many other personalities.

Melvin

I think that Origen was just wrong literary wrong. I think that a human being will go where he deserves to go. If you behave good you'll go to heaven, and if you behave bad you'll go to hell. I think that a person pays for his actions.

Elisa....Origen

Origen had incredible ideas. he thought of things i did not even bother to think about. origen was original. i think that he was right on believing what he believed. everyone has the right to believe in something, someone, or anything. the church condemned him for something wrong. God loves us all and we are all his sons...he would not let us suffer for mistakes.

Alejandra Ramirez

catias journal

well we are in chapter 7. this chapter talks about bishops and deacons. how they evolved and their leadership in the church. yeah it is a nice chapter. when i did my presentation i ha d to talk about modernists and conservationists. these two were two different types of christians in the church. conservationists wanted to stay with the old rules and laws of the church. modernists on the other hand wanted christianity to adapt to their times. i agree more with the modernists. i think rules are made to adapt and be good for our own times. so we cannot be living by rules of old times because they may not fit our times well.

catias journal

11th grade class

Chapter 7 talks about bishops and deacons. They were the authorities of the church. Bishops, however were the ones that were in charge of leading church services. A bishop was seen as being almost as important as a governor. Church leaders were very important to people. If town people needed advice in some kind of problem, they would go to church leaders so that they could help them. Chapter 7 also talked about the transition from Bishops and deacons to priests. Apostolic succession is very important because it means that priests could trade their ordinance back to an apostle. That gave credibility and reliance to priests all over the world.

Mr Mac: Ch7 Question

What is your opion of the history of the development of the power of bishops in the early church.
-Is this development part of God's plan, that continues today?
-Was it originally part of God's will, but later corrupted by men seeking power?
-Was it entirely developed by early leaders, and never part of Jesus' vision of his Church?

Mr Mac: Ch7 study guide

CH7: The Power of Bishops

Name: ___________________
Date: ___________________

1) _____
The first Christians believed that the new birth by the Spirit was the indispensable mark of the Christian.

2) _____
According to our text, catholic Christianity was complete when the Churches granted to bishops the power to forgive sins.

3) _____
There were two forms of local leadership in the early Church, the first were known as elders or bishops.

4) _____
The second group of church leaders were known as deacons, who assisted the bishops in their ministry.

5) _____
The deacons assisted the bishops in every way except presiding at the Lord's Supper.

6) _____
At the beginning of the 2nd century CE, Ignatius, the bishop of Antioch, wrote of three forms of Church leadership. Now in addition to bishops and deacons, there were presbyters who are now known as priests.

7) _____
The doctrine of "Apostolic Succession", means that any bishop can trace his "apostolic" ministry back to one of the Apostles, through a succession of "laying on of hands" (now known as ordination).

8) _____
The early Christian communities did not tolerate unholy members in their midst. Gross sinners were ejected from the church.

9) _____
The high level of morality in the Church ws a primary argument for the truth of Christianity.

10) _____
Justin devoted lengthy sections of his book Apology to a statement of the moral principles in Christians.

11) _____
Justin wants to prove that goodness in not just a pale ideal but a power developed on all sides and actually exercised in life.

12) _____
In the first and second centuries, Christians looked for proof of the Spirit's power in the lives of believers.

13) _____
Modernists want the church to adapt to the times.

14) _____
The early Church did not forgive three sins: Sexually Immorality, Murder, and Apostasy (denial of faith).
15) _____
Pope Callistus (217-222 CE) was the first bishop to allow repentant sinners to return to the Church.

16) _____
Pope Callistus based his decision to allow sinners to return to the Church on the Scriptural basis that Jesus had given the power to bind and loose the sins of men to Peter (and arguably his successors).

17) _____
Martyrdom, the baptism of blood, represented the utmost glory that a Christian could attain.

18) _____
Pope Cornelius was opposed by Bishop Novatian who believed that the Church did not have the power to forgive the grave sins of adultery, murder, and apostasy.

19) _____
Christians who were killed for their faith were known as "martyrs", that is "witness".

20) _____
Pope Cornelius viewed the Church as a School for Sinners, not a society of Saints.

Melvin

I think that if the people of those times didn't included those books it must've been for a reason. They probably had a really good reason to no include them. I also think they should've add them because in those books you would've find something that would've helped you if you were passing through a hard time.

antonio test response

i think the Apocrapha should be included in all canons because they are historical books as well as rest of the others, and nobody should decide to wether the books should not be included because they have no right to do that with the Apocrapha. Those books should be included because they are full of very helpful facts, that could help anybody who is having a bad time or a happy time.

catia's test response

I think that they should be included. They should be included because that way we know what they are about and what they teach. I do no think those books say bad things. Therefore I do not understand why they are not included. Many books like the books of the Apocrypha have been excluded, and the reasons of why they have been excluded I do not really understand. These Apocrypha books could bring god teachings into our lives and should be included.

Alejandra Ramirez

     I think that the deuterocanonical books should be included that way we can have more information about jesus, we can learn more if we have more books o read from. I think it is always better to have extra information and be extra prepared. The deuterocanonical books of the Apocrypha can help us to have more ideas or ways of behavior. 

Luisa G. : Test responce

Do you think that the Deuterocanonical books of the Apocrapha should be included in all canons? Why, or why not?
I think they should be accepted. i think they should be accepted because they are historical books as well as the rest of them, and nobody except for them had the right to say if they should or shouldn't be included. Also those books are written by every wise people and tell things that are very true. They could help us live our lives better and make better decisions when we are passing through a tough time.

Elisa (test response)

The Deuterocanonical books of the Apocrapha should be included in all canons because some of them include the rules of living. Why would anyone want to exclude them? Then they are only creating a new religion. This one will not be the one God wants us to follow. I believe that people do not have the right to decide what books qualify and and which ones do not.